I Need Help, Проблемы работы обсуждаем здесь!

Sting	Nov 3 2005, 17:43 Пост #1
Так, я створив профіль! Група: New Members Повідомлень: 2 З нами з: 1-November 05 Користувач №: 137 Парк машин: пока одна Athlon 2500+ 1Gb DDR	Обсуждаем любые возникшие проблемы в Folding@Home *Спрашиваем, обсуждаем, решаем!* Це повідомлення відредагував omega.zp: Sep 23 2013, 05:34

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Vorchun	Aug 13 2009, 21:39 Пост #1096
оверфолдер Група: Trusted Members Повідомлень: 622 З нами з: 14-February 07 З: Хмельницкий Користувач №: 446 Стать: Чол Парк машин: i5 2500K+GF 560	T0lsty Да, давно уже честных 16... с шестой версии клиентов, вроде... У меня, СМП иногда ошибается при запуске, говорит что такой ID уже используется.. -------------------- i-5 2500K (4500МГц) / MEM 2x4ГБ DDRIII (1600МГц) / GF GTX 560

T0lsty	Aug 13 2009, 22:05 Пост #1097
кранчер з фермою Група: Trusted Members Повідомлень: 871 З нами з: 13-October 06 Користувач №: 296 Стать: Чол	у меня gpu клиент такое часто говорит .. хотя id точно свободен . какойто баг . -------------------- .................. XtremeLabs.org (Show/Hide)

2kin	Aug 20 2009, 11:20 Пост #1098
Соромлюсь щось писати Група: New Members Повідомлень: 4 З нами з: 11-August 09 Користувач №: 1 138 Стать: Чол Парк машин: C2Q8200@2.8	У меня уже сутки FahSpy показывает, что на ГПУ клиенте статус "ready to sent". Как это испроавить? --------------------

SpellChecker	Aug 20 2009, 11:24 Пост #1099
кодю Група: Trusted Members Повідомлень: 205 З нами з: 23-February 08 Користувач №: 712 Стать: Чол Парк машин: 1 x 4 core	одно из двух, или не отправилось (лежит сервер, сбой подключения и т.д.) или отправилось, но просто не удалился результат. В любом случае надо выполнить принудительную отправку всех готовых юнитов и смотреть лог. -------------------- IRC Chat: #distributed@irc.lucky.net::6669

T0lsty	Aug 20 2009, 18:22 Пост #1100
кранчер з фермою Група: Trusted Members Повідомлень: 871 З нами з: 13-October 06 Користувач №: 296 Стать: Чол	задание не отправилось .. практически каждый день gpu серваки днем лежат. , те задания не отправляются. -------------------- .................. XtremeLabs.org (Show/Hide)

2kin	Aug 20 2009, 21:24 Пост #1101
Соромлюсь щось писати Група: New Members Повідомлень: 4 З нами з: 11-August 09 Користувач №: 1 138 Стать: Чол Парк машин: C2Q8200@2.8	т.е. можно все таки дождаться пока сервак оживет? хотя посмотрел - вроде, все слоты путые, кроме одного рабочего. Тогда не понятно откуда берется статус неотправленного задания --------------------

SpellChecker	Aug 21 2009, 09:23 Пост #1102
кодю Група: Trusted Members Повідомлень: 205 З нами з: 23-February 08 Користувач №: 712 Стать: Чол Парк машин: 1 x 4 core	fahspy показывает такой статус по наличию файла результатов. Вот если слот пустой, то это значит, что просто не удалился файл, или сервак так долго висит, что очередь уже прошла полный круг и потерла этот слот и его статус. Думаю можно просто грохнуть файл результата с номером, для которого слот числится пустым. -------------------- IRC Chat: #distributed@irc.lucky.net::6669

whynot	Aug 22 2009, 14:21 Пост #1103
кранчер зі стажем Група: Trusted Members Повідомлень: 378 З нами з: 8-December 08 Користувач №: 882 Стать: Чол Free-DC_CPID jabber:whynot@jabster.pl	(никак не въеду в эту местную классификацию) Мега-фолдер, а элементарных вещей не знаете -------------------- -- А ты готов к третьему майдану?

EKONOMIST	Aug 22 2009, 17:06 Пост #1104
kранчер Група: Trusted Members Повідомлень: 84 З нами з: 12-January 09 Користувач №: 902 Стать: Чол Парк машин: Дабл-дуб e5200 8800GTS (g80) Два дуба e4600 9600GSO (g92) Atom n450	Тут в последнее время такая хня вываливается: (Show/Hide) [14:23:25] Completed 98% [14:27:12] Completed 99% [14:31:00] Completed 100% [14:31:01] mdrun_gpu returned [14:31:01] Going to send back what have done -- stepsTotalG=20000000 [14:31:01] Work fraction=1.0000 steps=20000000. [14:31:05] logfile size=36136 infoLength=36136 edr=0 trr=25 [14:31:05] - Writing 36674 bytes of core data to disk... [14:31:05] Done: 36162 -> 6987 (compressed to 19.3 percent) [14:31:05] ... Done. [14:31:16] [14:31:16] Folding@home Core Shutdown: UNSTABLE_MACHINE [14:31:20] CoreStatus = 7A (122) [14:31:20] Sending work to server [14:31:20] Project: 5789 (Run 6, Clone 43, Gen 2) [14:31:20] - Read packet limit of 540015616... Set to 524286976. [14:31:20] + Attempting to send results [August 22 14:31:20 UTC] [14:31:20] - Reading file work/wuresults_04.dat from core [14:31:20] (Read 7499 bytes from disk) [14:31:20] Connecting to http://171.64.65.106:8080/ [14:31:27] Posted data. [14:31:28] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~1 kB/s [14:31:28] - Averaged speed for that direction ~14 kB/s [14:31:28] + Results successfully sent [14:31:28] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home. [14:31:32] Trying to send all finished work units [14:31:32] + No unsent completed units remaining. [14:31:32] - Preparing to get new work unit... [14:31:32] + Attempting to get work packet [14:31:32] - Will indicate memory of 2047 MB [14:31:32] - Detect CPU. Vendor: GenuineIntel, Family: 6, Model: 15, Stepping: 13 [14:31:32] - Connecting to assignment server [14:31:32] Connecting to http://assign-GPU.stanford.edu:8080/ [14:31:37] Posted data. [14:31:37] Initial: 40AB; - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.106). [14:31:37] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home [14:31:37] Loaded queue successfully. [14:31:37] Connecting to http://171.64.65.106:8080/ [14:31:40] Posted data. [14:31:40] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 67634) [14:31:56] - Downloaded at ~4 kB/s [14:31:56] - Averaged speed for that direction ~23 kB/s [14:31:56] + Received work. [14:31:56] Trying to send all finished work units [14:31:56] + No unsent completed units remaining. [14:31:56] + Closed connections [14:32:01] [14:32:01] + Processing work unit [14:32:01] Core required: FahCore_11.exe [14:32:01] Core found. [14:32:01] Working on queue slot 05 [August 22 14:32:01 UTC] [14:32:01] + Working ... [14:32:01] - Calling '.\FahCore_11.exe -dir work/ -suffix 05 -nocpulock -checkpoint 5 -verbose -lifeline 3240 -version 623' [14:32:01] [14:32:01] ------------------------------ [14:32:01] Folding@Home GPU Core - Beta [14:32:01] Version 1.19 (Mon Nov 3 09:34:13 PST 2008) [14:32:01] [14:32:01] Compiler : Microsoft ® 32-bit C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 14.00.50727.762 for 80x86 [14:32:01] Build host: amoeba [14:32:01] Board Type: Nvidia [14:32:01] Core : [14:32:01] Preparing to commence simulation [14:32:01] - Looking at optimizations... [14:32:01] - Created dyn [14:32:01] - Files status OK [14:32:01] - Expanded 67122 -> 348420 (decompressed 519.0 percent) [14:32:01] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=67122 data_size=348420, decompressed_data_size=348420 diff=0 [14:32:01] - Digital signature verified [14:32:01] [14:32:01] Project: 5793 (Run 12, Clone 51, Gen 2) [14:32:01] [14:32:02] Assembly optimizations on if available. [14:32:02] Entering M.D. [14:32:08] mdrun_gpu returned [14:32:08] Going to send back what have done -- stepsTotalG=0 [14:32:08] Work fraction=0.0000 steps=0. [14:32:12] logfile size=4996 infoLength=4996 edr=0 trr=25 [14:32:13] - Writing 5534 bytes of core data to disk... [14:32:13] Done: 5022 -> 1890 (compressed to 37.6 percent) [14:32:13] ... Done. [14:32:18] [14:32:18] Folding@home Core Shutdown: UNSTABLE_MACHINE [14:32:22] CoreStatus = 7A (122) [14:32:22] Sending work to server [14:32:22] Project: 5793 (Run 12, Clone 51, Gen 2) [14:32:22] - Read packet limit of 540015616... Set to 524286976. [14:32:22] + Attempting to send results [August 22 14:32:22 UTC] [14:32:22] - Reading file work/wuresults_05.dat from core [14:32:22] (Read 2402 bytes from disk) [14:32:22] Connecting to http://171.64.65.106:8080/ [14:32:25] Posted data. [14:32:25] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~1 kB/s [14:32:25] - Averaged speed for that direction ~12 kB/s [14:32:25] + Results successfully sent [14:32:25] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home. [14:32:29] Trying to send all finished work units [14:32:29] + No unsent completed units remaining. [14:32:29] - Preparing to get new work unit... [14:32:29] + Attempting to get work packet [14:32:29] - Will indicate memory of 2047 MB [14:32:29] - Connecting to assignment server [14:32:29] Connecting to http://assign-GPU.stanford.edu:8080/ [14:32:33] Posted data. [14:32:33] Initial: 40AB; - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.106). [14:32:33] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home [14:32:33] Loaded queue successfully. [14:32:33] Connecting to http://171.64.65.106:8080/ [14:32:39] Posted data. [14:32:39] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 67631) [14:33:04] - Downloaded at ~2 kB/s [14:33:04] - Averaged speed for that direction ~19 kB/s [14:33:04] + Received work. [14:33:04] Trying to send all finished work units [14:33:04] + No unsent completed units remaining. [14:33:04] + Closed connections [14:33:09] [14:33:09] + Processing work unit [14:33:09] Core required: FahCore_11.exe [14:33:09] Core found. [14:33:09] Working on queue slot 06 [August 22 14:33:09 UTC] [14:33:09] + Working ... [14:33:09] - Calling '.\FahCore_11.exe -dir work/ -suffix 06 -nocpulock -checkpoint 5 -verbose -lifeline 3240 -version 623' [14:33:09] [14:33:09] ------------------------------ [14:33:09] Folding@Home GPU Core - Beta [14:33:09] Version 1.19 (Mon Nov 3 09:34:13 PST 2008) [14:33:09] [14:33:09] Compiler : Microsoft ® 32-bit C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 14.00.50727.762 for 80x86 [14:33:09] Build host: amoeba [14:33:09] Board Type: Nvidia [14:33:09] Core : [14:33:09] Preparing to commence simulation [14:33:09] - Looking at optimizations... [14:33:09] - Created dyn [14:33:09] - Files status OK [14:33:09] - Expanded 67119 -> 348420 (decompressed 519.1 percent) [14:33:09] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=67119 data_size=348420, decompressed_data_size=348420 diff=0 [14:33:09] - Digital signature verified [14:33:09] [14:33:09] Project: 5797 (Run 7, Clone 49, Gen 3) [14:33:09] [14:33:09] Assembly optimizations on if available. [14:33:09] Entering M.D. [14:33:16] mdrun_gpu returned [14:33:16] Going to send back what have done -- stepsTotalG=0 [14:33:16] Work fraction=0.0000 steps=0. [14:33:20] logfile size=4997 infoLength=4997 edr=0 trr=25 [14:33:20] - Writing 5535 bytes of core data to disk... [14:33:20] Done: 5023 -> 1881 (compressed to 37.4 percent) [14:33:20] ... Done. [14:33:25] [14:33:25] Folding@home Core Shutdown: UNSTABLE_MACHINE [14:33:29] CoreStatus = 7A (122) [14:33:29] Sending work to server [14:33:29] Project: 5797 (Run 7, Clone 49, Gen 3) [14:33:29] - Read packet limit of 540015616... Set to 524286976. [14:33:29] + Attempting to send results [August 22 14:33:29 UTC] [14:33:29] - Reading file work/wuresults_06.dat from core [14:33:29] (Read 2393 bytes from disk) [14:33:29] Connecting to http://171.64.65.106:8080/ [14:33:33] Posted data. [14:33:34] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~0 kB/s [14:33:34] - Averaged speed for that direction ~9 kB/s [14:33:34] + Results successfully sent [14:33:34] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home. [14:33:38] Trying to send all finished work units [14:33:38] + No unsent completed units remaining. [14:33:38] - Preparing to get new work unit... [14:33:38] + Attempting to get work packet [14:33:38] - Will indicate memory of 2047 MB [14:33:38] - Connecting to assignment server [14:33:38] Connecting to http://assign-GPU.stanford.edu:8080/ [14:33:40] Posted data. [14:33:40] Initial: 40AB; - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.106). [14:33:40] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home [14:33:40] Loaded queue successfully. [14:33:40] Connecting to http://171.64.65.106:8080/ [14:33:48] Posted data. [14:33:48] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 64808) [14:34:11] - Downloaded at ~2 kB/s [14:34:11] - Averaged speed for that direction ~16 kB/s [14:34:11] + Received work. [14:34:11] Trying to send all finished work units [14:34:11] + No unsent completed units remaining. [14:34:11] + Closed connections [14:34:16] [14:34:16] + Processing work unit [14:34:16] Core required: FahCore_11.exe [14:34:16] Core found. [14:34:16] Working on queue slot 07 [August 22 14:34:16 UTC] [14:34:16] + Working ... [14:34:16] - Calling '.\FahCore_11.exe -dir work/ -suffix 07 -nocpulock -checkpoint 5 -verbose -lifeline 3240 -version 623' [14:34:16] [14:34:16] ------------------------------ [14:34:16] Folding@Home GPU Core - Beta [14:34:16] Version 1.19 (Mon Nov 3 09:34:13 PST 2008) [14:34:16] [14:34:16] Compiler : Microsoft ® 32-bit C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 14.00.50727.762 for 80x86 [14:34:16] Build host: amoeba [14:34:16] Board Type: Nvidia [14:34:16] Core : [14:34:16] Preparing to commence simulation [14:34:16] - Looking at optimizations... [14:34:16] - Created dyn [14:34:16] - Files status OK [14:34:16] - Expanded 64296 -> 350744 (decompressed 545.5 percent) [14:34:16] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=64296 data_size=350744, decompressed_data_size=350744 diff=0 [14:34:16] - Digital signature verified [14:34:16] [14:34:16] Project: 5791 (Run 20, Clone 61, Gen 0) [14:34:16] [14:34:16] Assembly optimizations on if available. [14:34:16] Entering M.D. [14:34:23] mdrun_gpu returned [14:34:23] Going to send back what have done -- stepsTotalG=0 [14:34:23] Work fraction=0.0000 steps=0. [14:34:27] logfile size=4993 infoLength=4993 edr=0 trr=25 [14:34:27] - Writing 5531 bytes of core data to disk... [14:34:27] Done: 5019 -> 1879 (compressed to 37.4 percent) [14:34:27] ... Done. [14:34:34] [14:34:34] Folding@home Core Shutdown: UNSTABLE_MACHINE [14:34:36] CoreStatus = 7A (122) [14:34:36] Sending work to server [14:34:36] Project: 5791 (Run 20, Clone 61, Gen 0) [14:34:36] - Read packet limit of 540015616... Set to 524286976. [14:34:36] + Attempting to send results [August 22 14:34:36 UTC] [14:34:36] - Reading file work/wuresults_07.dat from core [14:34:36] (Read 2391 bytes from disk) [14:34:36] Connecting to http://171.64.65.106:8080/ [14:34:40] Posted data. [14:34:40] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~0 kB/s [14:34:40] - Averaged speed for that direction ~8 kB/s [14:34:40] + Results successfully sent [14:34:40] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home. [14:34:44] Trying to send all finished work units [14:34:44] + No unsent completed units remaining. [14:34:44] - Preparing to get new work unit... [14:34:44] + Attempting to get work packet [14:34:44] - Will indicate memory of 2047 MB [14:34:44] - Connecting to assignment server [14:34:44] Connecting to http://assign-GPU.stanford.edu:8080/ [14:34:52] Posted data. [14:34:52] Initial: 40AB; - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.106). [14:34:52] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home [14:34:52] Loaded queue successfully. [14:34:52] Connecting to http://171.64.65.106:8080/ [14:34:55] Posted data. [14:34:55] Initial: 0000; - Receiving payload (expected size: 67594) [14:35:29] - Downloaded at ~1 kB/s [14:35:29] - Averaged speed for that direction ~13 kB/s [14:35:29] + Received work. [14:35:29] Trying to send all finished work units [14:35:29] + No unsent completed units remaining. [14:35:29] + Closed connections [14:35:34] [14:35:34] + Processing work unit [14:35:34] Core required: FahCore_11.exe [14:35:34] Core found. [14:35:34] Working on queue slot 08 [August 22 14:35:34 UTC] [14:35:34] + Working ... [14:35:34] - Calling '.\FahCore_11.exe -dir work/ -suffix 08 -nocpulock -checkpoint 5 -verbose -lifeline 3240 -version 623' [14:35:34] [14:35:34] ------------------------------ [14:35:34] Folding@Home GPU Core - Beta [14:35:34] Version 1.19 (Mon Nov 3 09:34:13 PST 2008) [14:35:34] [14:35:34] Compiler : Microsoft ® 32-bit C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 14.00.50727.762 for 80x86 [14:35:34] Build host: amoeba [14:35:34] Board Type: Nvidia [14:35:34] Core : [14:35:34] Preparing to commence simulation [14:35:34] - Looking at optimizations... [14:35:35] - Created dyn [14:35:35] - Files status OK [14:35:35] - Expanded 67082 -> 348420 (decompressed 519.3 percent) [14:35:35] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=67082 data_size=348420, decompressed_data_size=348420 diff=0 [14:35:35] - Digital signature verified [14:35:35] [14:35:35] Project: 5794 (Run 15, Clone 36, Gen 6) [14:35:35] [14:35:35] Assembly optimizations on if available. [14:35:35] Entering M.D. [14:35:42] mdrun_gpu returned [14:35:42] Going to send back what have done -- stepsTotalG=0 [14:35:42] Work fraction=0.0000 steps=0. [14:35:46] logfile size=4997 infoLength=4997 edr=0 trr=25 [14:35:46] - Writing 5535 bytes of core data to disk... [14:35:46] Done: 5023 -> 1887 (compressed to 37.5 percent) [14:35:46] ... Done. [14:35:52] [14:35:52] Folding@home Core Shutdown: UNSTABLE_MACHINE [14:35:54] CoreStatus = 7A (122) [14:35:54] Sending work to server [14:35:54] Project: 5794 (Run 15, Clone 36, Gen 6) [14:35:54] - Read packet limit of 540015616... Set to 524286976. [14:35:54] + Attempting to send results [August 22 14:35:54 UTC] [14:35:54] - Reading file work/wuresults_08.dat from core [14:35:54] (Read 2399 bytes from disk) [14:35:54] Connecting to http://171.64.65.106:8080/ [14:35:57] Posted data. [14:35:57] Initial: 0000; - Uploaded at ~1 kB/s [14:35:57] - Averaged speed for that direction ~6 kB/s [14:35:57] + Results successfully sent [14:35:57] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home. [14:36:02] EUE limit exceeded. Pausing 24 hours. [14:45:06] *** Got a SIGTERM signal (2) [14:45:06] Killing all core threads Folding@Home Client Shutdown. твайумать, у нас есть кнопочка "спойлер" шоб такие длинные простыни ныкать подкат! Вуха доходит до сотни, а потом анстабле М сразу после загрузок новых. Заметил, что случается в основном при активности другой учетки на кампе (гость - брат по инету лазит). И пока сцуко клиента не перезапустишь, работать не будет. Перестновка онного не помогла. У кого какие соображения? Может клиенту приоритет повысить? Но тогда работать на машине вообще не возможно. Вариант пустить домашних в свою учетку тоже не катит - убьют нахрен РВ и винду, факт проверенный Це повідомлення відредагував nikelong**: Aug 23 2009, 23:09 --------------------

nikelong	Aug 23 2009, 23:09 Пост #1105
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Paul B.Atton	Aug 30 2009, 19:23 Пост #1106
Випадковий перехожий Група: Trusted Members Повідомлень: 3 520 З нами з: 26-August 03 З: місто Київ Користувач №: 10 Стать: Чол Free-DC_CPID Парк машин: Різні процесори різних архітектур (x86, SPARC, Power) від 300 МГц до 3200 МГц jabber:Paul.Tatarenko@gmail.com	"Бистроє пєрєключєніє пользоватєлей" чи як воно там називається? -------------------- Legions of Informix forever! (Show/Hide) . . . Last.FM ... Pulse... Pulse... Oh-h-h! Some newbies coming! ... Pulse! Pulse! Pulse! . . . Now I'm pretty successful in OGR-NG. Sometimes better than Tamagoch! But... Where is Tamagoch??? . . .

A1ex01	Aug 30 2009, 23:45 Пост #1107
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EKONOMIST	Aug 31 2009, 08:33 Пост #1108
kранчер Група: Trusted Members Повідомлень: 84 З нами з: 12-January 09 Користувач №: 902 Стать: Чол Парк машин: Дабл-дуб e5200 8800GTS (g80) Два дуба e4600 9600GSO (g92) Atom n450	Быстрая смена учеток - эффект нулевой. 3д приложения обычно выносят вуху сразу (не все правда). Проблему решил - собрал брату новый комп(на старом пне гроза убила сетевуху вместе с ПиСиАй шиной) --------------------

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Aug 31 2009, 09:17

Пост #1109

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